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American Express “financial review” comment

Posted on Aug 5, 2008 by CHESSNOID in American Express, Recession, economy, mishmash | 9 Comments


I guess American Express is now on the phase of reviewing many customers financial records to determine whether they qualify under their “new review” process.  This has not happened to me yet, but it really won’t matter in my situation because they basically lowered all my credit limits to the balances I owe and continue to reduce them as I make payments (chasing the balance).  The accounts where I keep no balances have had all their credit limits reduced down to $500 making them virtually useless in my situation.  I did receive a comment with a link on my blog post
recession forcing american express to target profiles to decrease credit limits that goes back to the forums, but after reading the post I thought it would be worth reading it here and getting some extra exposure.    Thank you in advance for sharing, Modestexpert.

response to abusive ‘financial review’ by Amex
An open letter to Amex which will also be sent to customer service, the Corporate offices, Costco, and legal advisors:

(not that they much care I expect, EXCEPT for that last little item)

I have been a customer of American Express since about 1999. I just finished a nearly 2 month process of ‘financial review’ with you, which ultimately I suppose I ‘passed’ since my accounts are now restored and unfrozen, but I want to let you know that this has fundamentally impacted our business relationship, and that I think your process is severely and obviously broken. I must say that given the hundreds / thousands of on-line posts I see about this ‘review process,’ posts that are unique to American Express and the highly negative experiences of others, I think your process is causing you a lot of problems, and has been and will continue to cost you many of your high dollar value clients. I would be very curious to see how many customers you have lost that truly are financially qualified, and in fact even pass your ‘review.’

I stress to you that I ‘passed’ your process, that although I did have my account initially revoked that after making an appeal to the American Express financial review team my appeal was granted and all of my accounts are back up, and that I do of course understand the need to ‘verify’ income and the like. So this is not a sour-grapes letter over being canceled or thinking it unreasonable that you follow up on your need to verify income etc., but rather a sour-grapes letter over very poor treatment by a company that I have relied on and allowed to become integral to my financial transactions. I suspect as you get many many complaints about this process that you make the mistake of conflating those who are upset about an abusive and unnecessarily extreme process with those who (wrongly) think you have no right to conduct a review and assure yourself of the creditworthiness of your borrowers, as I can’t think of any other reason that you would receive so many vociferous complaints, and yet refuse to make significant change. In truth, I believe it is quite possible for you to accomplish your goals of verifying income and ability to pay while still treating customers with more dignity than you currently do and enacting your policy in a less extreme fashion, which would of course better preserve your customer relations. If many of even the customers who ‘pass’ your review don’t want to work with you any more, might it not be a good idea to rethink your current process a little?

By way of fyi, in the two months (late May) since my accounts were suspended, I have successfully upgraded my ’status’ at two other financial services companies who indicate they very much want to do substantial business with me. I have canceled all of my automatic transactions that channeled to my Amex cards (what choice did I have with your ‘total account freeze policy’?), and of course won’t be sending any of those back your way.

I think it is interesting that both other companies that I spoke with in efforts to replace my lost credit were well aware of this Amex issue and your financial reviews as they are conducted, and both at the supervisor level indicated that they have picked up many high dollar customers from Amex over the last several years, including many customers that had ‘passed’ their financial review and been fully reinstated. One also indicated a product targeted at high dollar value customers and as such at disaffected Amex customers, the Merrill Lynch card, which I personally find quite persuasive, and have already posted a good 100k to that card in the last month or so. I believe it to be a product with comparable benefits to the Amex cards I am now shuning, specifically the Platinum Membership Rewards product.

As background, I am CEO of a small company with about $2.5 million in revenue, modest profits, and have a personal income of about $150k.

I charge several hundred thousand dollars per year total on my cards, and in the past I have primarily used Amex card products for those charges. My charges have been sufficient that I have twice been invited to become a ‘black card’ member in the last few years, and in fact have done more than enough charges on all of my combined Amex cards for the last several years running to warrant ‘black card’ membership.

My business has about 60% of our revenue by charge card, and I’m told Amex has been (although this is a guess) about half or more of that total. So, between $500k and $750k in charges annually, and growing, for annual fees to Amex of roughly $15,000 to $30,000.

In the coming months I will be canceling most of my personal and business Amex accounts, and in September will be dropping Amex as a card we accept as a vendor. I would do it now, but as a seasonal summer business, I don’t have time to tackle this at the moment, but rest assured it is coming.

Here is what happened (and didn’t) that so upsets me, after roughly 10 years of happy association with American Express.

First, what triggered the review, I was told by the initial reviewing agent, was about $50k of wine purchases on an SPG card at Costco. Now first of all, I am writing to Costco to detail the absurd treatment I received and to request that they reconsider their ‘exclusive’ partnership with Amex. I cannot be the only high dollar client to have had this happen, and I think it should be of interest and concern to Costco that their highest dollar value clients are treated in this way by Amex, and more importantly that high dollar purchases at Costco, as your agents told me and my case proves, actually trigger this extremely aggressive and unpleasant review.

Please be aware that even as I made thse $50k in charges, as you could see by reviewing my accounts, I paid down the balances EVEN BEFORE THE BILLING CYCLE CLOSED. I believe that I had paid down 50% or more of these charges before the close of billing. So why this would warrant an abusive review as I was subjected to is beyond reason to me. I do understand that if you see customers charging large sums you must be concerned that they might max out their cards and flee or at least become very overextended, which I assume is rare, but does happen: BUT, has any customer steadily paying down their balance EVEN BEFORE THE BILLING CYCLE CLOSES been that sort of customer? I would guess that this factor of paying as the charges are made would reduce to virtually zero the odds you are dealing with a customer in deep trouble. The simplicity and absoluteness of your model for this review defies reason. Why is length of time as a customer of good standing not even a factor in this review, and how does that make sound business sense?

Regardless, investing in wine is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, AND IT IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS what I am purchasing or why. Yes, you have a right to know I can cover my charges, but that was truly not at issue since I was paying these charges as I made them. While I did explain my reason for the purchases to your ‘review’ person, on reflection, this particular inquiry seems like a fairly severe invasion of my privacy and very unnecessary, unless the charges are outside of my ability to pay. Given the steady payment I made on these charges right after they were made, and my history of several hundred thousand dollars a year in charges, I don’t understand why this would be such an outlandish purchase as to warrant the experience of review to which I was subjected.

Second, even though with 7 accounts over 10 years or so I have never had even a single 30 days late payment, my accounts were ALL SUMMARILY FROZEN. Now I can understand why risk management might say, ‘let’s take a customer temporarily down from $125k to $25 or $50k’ to minimize risk while such a review is conducted, but in what world does it make sense to take your highest dollar value customers and ENTIRELY freeze ALL of their accounts for what ended up being 2 months? How can a customer view YOU as anything but an unreliable financial partner after such treatment?

This single fix, reducing outstanding credit temporarily by even 80% or even 90% rather than ‘freezing’ accounts outright, would obviously drastically limit your downside, while allowing customers to continue to make automatic payments, to continue to use their cards to some degree at exclusive vendors and the like, would continue to keep a relationship of some sort with long and loyal customers, and would I think largely solve what is an absurd execution of policy by your financial review team, an execution which to me all evidence indicates is costing you many of your best customers. I would guess that if during review you reduced customers to 20% of credit allocation on a temporary basis, and even on those who ‘failed’ for lack of adequate documentaiton if you similarly just reduced credit to this degree rather than cancelled people outright, you would dramatically improve your customer relations.

I have read in the financial publications that given your financial difficulties you have ‘accelerated’ the aggressiveness of your review process, presumably b/c of credit implosions you have experienced; but how does it make sense to alienate your best historical customers and effectively throw out the baby with the bathwater? It sounds as though you are now purposefully targeting your highest dollar customers. From a risk reduction perspective that makes some sense, but given how aggressive and alienating the process is, it is also a first class ticket to hemorrhaging many of your best customers, the one’s who CAN pay their bills. It seems to me that as it is being conducted, you will slowly cull AWAY from Amex many of your most credit worthy customers, and instead keep many lower dollar value customers who have a small total volume of credit and charges with you, and therefore effectively fly below the radar.

Third, even though I had a certified mail receipt proving that I had turned in my tax returns, the IRS had not processed those returns, and when that was discovered, all of my accounts were summarily canceled! Now why wouldn’t an 80% to 90% reduction in credit, for example, have sufficed to limit your liability sufficiently given a customer who pays most accounts in full each month, and in fact was prepaying balances even before the cycle ended?

Why would your offices not be empowered to look at my proof that I had submitted my returns? The IRS itself accepted my proof, was willing to write a letter stating they had received but failed to process my return, was willing to validate a return and provide you a copy through the taxpayer advocate’s office, and agreed to expedite the posting of the returns; but Amex’s financial review team would not consider ANY of my additional proof, even after a number of calls and talks with agents and supervisors, nor accept any of these alternative communications from the IRS!

Why is it even reasonable to think that it is a problem that I may not have submitted my 2007 return, when I was and am still within the window for an extension of time to file without penalty even by the IRS’s own standards and policy?

Why would other forms of proof, such as bank balances for myself and my business, my bank account statements, and my W-2 forms, not be acceptable alternatives in this situation, which was no fault of my own? For the record, I offered all of these to your offices.

Fourth, how is it reasonable that Amex ‘takes’ / forfeits my Membership Rewards points in this case? I feel that is obviously unreasonable, and I am so outraged by that that in fact since two of my former students are now class action attorneys, I am informing you that I will be reviewing the matter with them and hope they find this set of facts to be of interest. I have been told by your agents that I will not get my points reinstated, even though my accounts have been restored, unless I submit a special plea and written request. Well, that is simply outrageous, and warrants a common two word expletive as a response. I notice that Amex has not done well on class action suits, and this one seems to me a doozie, and very just and justified; I certainly think any jury would have strong biases, as they should, that such a policy is completely unreasonable and abusive and should be punished.

Finally, once my returns were registered with the IRS, I appealed. The agent I spoke with felt my case was as clear a case for reinstatement, he said, as he had ever seen, but nonetheless it had to go through two levels of management review, which took ANOTHER 3 weeks! How is that reasonable or wise? It seems that the implicit goal with this review is to alienate your best customers as completely as possible, at least as it is currently carried out. Well, congratulations, if your goal is total alienation you’ve now succeeded with me.

So even though all of my income matched my claims, my business revenue I believe exceeded it, and I have nearly 10 years of successful credit management with you (even paying down all of my accounts the day that you closed them, just fyi), this is how I was treated. The file will reflect that I was courteous and reasonable with your agents and representatives at all times.

I have often felt that Amex has had the best customer service; I cannot say the same for your financial review process or how I now feel about your company. I run a seasonal business, with the bulk of my charges coming in the summer months, so the summary initial freezing of my credit cost me substantial problems and difficulty, was done without warning, and in my view, was unnecessary for the many reasons that I have detailed for you. I have come to rely on Amex as a solid, responsible partner for my business charges and affairs. Of course, that is no longer the case, and I feel I can no longer trust Amex with anything more than incidental business for me or for my company. So, as a customer, I have my own ‘financial stability’ and ‘partnership stability’ review process, and American Express has failed those.

Sincerely,

Modestexpert

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  1. Marwan, August 6, 2008:

    so sorry to hear, I would have a class action going already !! specially for the MR points. Merrill is a similar card indeed as far as credit, and the reward points exceed amex’s by millions. I admire how professional your approach is towards that whole situation. Having your credit completely frozen is not a joke, and you have all the right to look into suing them. At least, you’ll get a better explanation for all your questions ;)

  2. ZCS, August 13, 2008:

    I could not agree more with the author of “response to abusive ‘financial review’ by Amex”

    I have been a card member with Amex for 10 years haveing never made a late payment. My business is now very successful and we began asking Amex permission to place some rather large charges, creating monthly balances in excess of $100,000. After three months of this, and Always paying off the bill in full and on time, I was placed on Financial Review. I found the people in that department unreasonable and uncooperative. All points have been transferred out of my account and I an my company will never AMEX again. Amex, if you are listening, we have revenues in excess of $50,000,000/ year and all principals are in their early thirties. By alienating us, you stand to lose hundreds of thousands if not millions in fees.

  3. Musculars, August 15, 2008:

    We run high monthly balances always paying in full before close. On one of our revolving business cards, the bank erroneously closed the account causing a payment transaction to AMEX to be denied. This was a prepayment and was not paid late as we caught the error in time and notified AMEX customer service of the error, who asured us they would be no problem as long as we made the payment again. We did more then that and paid the total amount down to zero.
    Within days we received notice from the credit department that because of the returned payment the business cards were canceled and all our other accounts will be placed under reveiw. When we contacted the credit department with letter from the bank in hand, we were told ” we don’t care to know why it happened but only that it did happen”.
    Arrogance will be the destruction of any company but AMEX by closing down accounts and chasing balances on the other accounts is actively engaged in destroying mine. And by lying to their customers why they are doing so and in a manner so abrupt that causes dislocations they are endangering the small business economy who they purport to serve.
    The CEO who unleased this short-sighted dragonian assault should be fired by his board.

  4. Matt, August 23, 2008:

    Wow…you know what AMEX did today? they called me asked me to join the credit protection that i need to pay 8 cents/dollar balance. I don’t have any balance for the credit card they just reduce to 500. They said, if i’m a member, they can increase back to 15,000 that i used to have. What a great way to sell the credit protection. I need to find an attorney for class action lawsuit.

  5. David Eisen, September 23, 2008:

    I just got a financial review, after believing AMEX was a great company for my flexible payment (student with mother paying bills), I figured it would be ok. Now i have no credit card for food or anything, even after on time in full payments. Thanks American Express.

    -Dave

  6. Jacob, October 2, 2008:

    Started in 2003 with $3300 small business line. Over the years have increased the small business line to $30000. AMEX FR closed card…within 3 months AMEX offered to reopen $30k line….Then reviewed again, reduced to $28100. Reviewed a third time and slashed to $6500 all in less than 10 months! How can a business partner operate with such volitiality when the cardholder has never been late!

  7. Doug, October 27, 2008:

    Being a Chief Operations Officer for a small 6 year start up, my expenses tend to run quite high. After having been an amex customer for 4 years (understandably not that long of a term) I mistakenly paid a previous month’s balance only partially. After paying each month’s balance in full for FOUR years, I make one partial payment for ONE month and I receive a phone call from AMEX financial review demanding access to my IRS tax return for 2007. Despite paying the balance in full immediately, and explaining to the f/r case manager the unintential payment mishap, the case manager was very cold and unfriendly. After raving about Amex’s amazing customer service, having this moronic desk jockey who’s given a title and a bit of authority talk down to me was infuriating. It seems that I’m not the only person who has been ‘punished’ by Amex for NOTHING. After having spent the past hour googling ‘amex financial review’ and reading all about the unpleasant treatment from the f/r team I will be canceling my business and personal amex cards. They can do without my business, as I see no need to bend over backwards when I am the paying customer!! F… y.. american express

  8. Dave, November 1, 2008:

    Looks like the Amex Plum card has turned into the Amex Prune card. F U AX!

  9. TJ, November 28, 2008:

    Hey There,

    Well it seems that I too have become caught in this garbage. Here I was thinking: I pay my AMEX bill in FULL, and then I get mailing from AMEX about the PLUM card… I thought, looks cool. When I was opening it I TOLD them that I will transfer all my business to it, so about $25K a month for a new business, and they said NO PROBLEM.

    Now, two month’s into this card, they are asking for a Financial Review, have reduced the limits on my Blue AMEX, and at the same time froze both that Blue card and my Plum…

    Sooo… they have spent 2 weeks on this now, they know that I own a home valued @ 500K (1/2 paid for), have a credit score of 790+, never missed a bill on anything, have little or no debt elsewhere (just a plasma TV & couch set @ 0%!!) yet they are pretty much telling me that they are going to close ALL te accounts. WHY? Because for the year that they wanted my financial statements I was in Graduate School (not spending too much, but I still earned a very good income of $80K) and when I got out I got financed for a business which I wanted to run off of the Plum so I can get some cash back! Since my charges went from like $1k/month to $25K they felt I was something of a criminal… EVEN THOUGH I TOLD THEM EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING…

    Anyways, back to cash I go!

    AMEX, you just lost a customer who used your products and paid for it everytime… I am thinking that maybe they DONT WANT customers like me since they dont make too much money…

    Anyways, enough rambling… I am just frustrated!

    Best,
    TJ

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